Where do you draw the line? However, what this entails is that one could claim that if the removed planks had not been replaced in the third scenario, then ship Y would not have existed and instead ship Y1 would have existed. Brian Garrett says that this hinders the authenticity of endurantism because the statement is strange5. Some thinkers push the notion that a person is essentially their body. The observer selects those attributes that serve his purpose. It is sold to an art gallery where it hangs for a hundred years. Nevertheless, all schools of thought are somewhat problematic.
Invite the group to come up and use the model to demonstrate their ideas for the benefit of everyone in the group. We are still struggling with Heraclituss puzzle. The embedded question to bear in mind in this whole discussion is if it is a new ship when all the parts are replaced then at what point does it become a new ship? Once one has knowledge of endurantism and perdurantism, the theories can be used to solve puzzles such as the Ship of Theseus. Airy had provided a mechanical system, employing correctors in the form of steel magnets and wrought iron masses, by which the ship's magnetic field at the compass position is neutralized. When Theseus was old enough he moved the rock and discovered what was left under it. This is because attempts made by endurantists and perdurantists result in unintuitive consequences. But in larger situations containing both candidates these identities are neither true nor false.
There were continuous changes to the sails, the wood, and the metal parts that comprised the ship. Yet every part of A is a part of C, and every part of C is a part of A! It would seem to me that if something is something for 1000 years and agreed upon by all around you to be such, than it is such. This represents that the ships have a common temporal segment where they are basically one and the same ship. The last argues that component parts are identity. In order to solve this puzzle, one must be able to identify which ship is the Ship of Theseus. Thus we should start by looking at his critique of modern ethics.
The other side to the puzzle is that the Ship of Theseus is what it is because of its history. Summarizing, the original riddle is only paradoxical because it defines a historical identity and then, in imprecise language, asks us whether certain ships are this historical identity. Rather, it is we who make those atoms into a whole entity called a ship. We can see two numerically distinct ships or at least collections of ship parts at all times The comparable problem of identifying parts of an organism, - specific cells, even atoms, is extremely difficult if not impossible. According to solution five, the Worm Theory solution, we need to change the way we're thinking about ordinary objects. When the dude rebuilds it a thousand years later, he can just explain to everyone that has forgotten the history of the ship, that 'technically' it is a replica, whilst he has rebuilt the original.
On the contrary, endurantism does not have this luxury. They are wholly present at each moment of time at which they exist. Heraclitus wonders whether one can step into the same river twice precisely because it continually undergoes changes. In the beginning, babies are bombarded with many different sensations and stimuli. I submit that there is a straightforward, easily understood answer to that question. If you were not born, who traveled into the past and killed your Grandfather? The ship of Theseus does not really exist as the ship of Theseus.
I introduce scenario two like this: there is a ship at year zero and two ships at year one thousand, and the challenge is to figure out which of the two ships at year one thousand is identical to the ship at year zero. In my opinion, something did change from the beginning to the end of the reconstruction to Theseus ship. This is supposed to be a question about identity, but, it is not about identity; at least not the kind of identity that matters to human beings. Debatable This is my favorite in the list even though I am not great at Maths! Given that special relativity is a widely accepted theory, perdurantists have strong motivation to prove their view7. Personal identity, it should be noted, is more complicated, since matters concerning consciousness and psychological continuity muddy the waters. Still, workers embrace these risks for very poor wages and most of the profits go to the already rich businessmen.
The fact that hundreds of tons of stones and cement are missing is irrelevant. Our discussion is not limited to ships and axes. Imagine that every time a plank is changed, rather than consigning the old planks to the scrap heap, we store them in a warehouse. This solution involves denying the change principle as well, but it offers a stronger thesis in its place: ordinary objects never survive any change. I think it takes a lot of energy to keep friendships intact over time, distance and experience.
The Story Theseus owned a ship and the ship was entirely made of wood. . It is we who further demarcate this ship as somehow belonging to the mythical general Theseus. When a new object is created out of parts from another object, those parts have lost their identity as a whole because they are no longer together, and they form a new identity with the new parts. No it doesn't, because we can't actually do that. We only have what we learned—that is, the stimuli we were taught to associate with the ship.
For instance, in the state of the deepest sleep where the body and mind have little relevance to the personality, the awareness exists. In our case of the Ship of Theseus, we actually create two ships over time. Besides, if someone went around collecting the discarded parts of the ship and used them to make another ship, which one would be the better candidate for being the original ship? Also, making the discussions about the children in some way can keep them engaged with the issues. As you explain the process of gradual change replace each pencil with another pencil creating a pile of the discarded pencils to one side of the ship. If I paint the Mona Lisa over the Mona Lisa, is it still a painting by Da Vinci? By this very formulation, an identity across time is implied: the thing whose planks are replaced is something we can talk about, all the way up the last plank. The Ship of Theseus The Ship of Theseus was a famous vessel The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned had thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of Demetrus Phalereus, for they took away the old planks as they decayed, putting in new and stronger timber in their place, insomuch that this ship became a standing example among the philosophers, for the logical question as to things that grow; one side holding that the ship remained the same, and the other contending it was not the same.